October 3, 2008
PJB: Can the MARs Save McCain?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
John McCain may have just let slip his last best chance to be president of the United States.
When he flew back to Washington to address the banking crisis, McCain could have seized the hottest issue in America by taking the side of his countrymen who were enraged by the Paulson Plan to bail out a power elite whose greed and stupidity had caused a financial disaster unequaled since the Crash of ‘29.
But rather than denounce the Bush-Paulson-Pelosi-Barney Frank plan as a rip-off of taxpayers, lacerate Obama and Co. for bedding down with the kleptocrats of Fannie Mae, and advancing his own McCain plan, McCain played the establishment man. He sought modest concessions for the Republican view, urged swift passage and left town.
Then the House, in an astounding act of defiance, voted to kill the bill, triggering a trillion-dollar run on Wall Street.
Working with Democrats rather than battling the establishment has ever been McCain’s way. And, undeniably, his deserved reputation for bipartisanship helped him to get where he is.
He campaigns proudly on his capacity to work with liberals and has McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman and McCain-Kennedy to prove it. But as George H.W. Bush and Gerald Ford discovered, the politics of compromise and consensus does not always produce the best result.
The tax hike of 1990 may have destroyed Bush I’s presidency, and Ford’s choice of John Paul Stevens for the Supreme Court, who was approved unanimously, helped propel the Ronald Reagan challenge.
Philosophically and culturally, we are a divided people. Across the spectrum there are us-versus-them folks who see politics as a zero-sum game between Middle America and a global elite. Below the upper-income brackets and along the center-right are the folks the late columnist Sam Francis, citing sociologist Donald Warren’s 1976 study, called Middle American Radicals.
Nixon brought the “MARs” to national attention when, as David Broder then wrote, the “breaking of the president” was underway in October 1969. Nixon went on television and called for the Great Silent Majority to stand with him against antiwar demonstrators and rioters in the streets, and for “peace with honor” in Vietnam.
When TV anchors trashed Nixon’s speech, he unleashed Spiro Agnew on the establishment media.
No White House had ever before attacked the networks or national press for ideological and political bias.
In a month, Nixon hit 68 percent approval, the apogee of his presidency, and Agnew was the third most admired man in America.
Reagan, by opposing the surrender of the Panama Canal to a leftist dictator, also rallied the MARs. He lost that battle, but his consolation prize was the GOP nomination and the presidency.
In recent years, we have seen the MARs rise again and again in roaring rebellion. But, invariably, when these rebellions occur, John McCain may be found inside the castle walls.
In 2007, McCain rushed to Washington to support George Bush, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post in the drive to grant amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. A national firestorm killed the bill and almost killed McCain’s campaign.
A year earlier, a MARs uprising killed the Dubai ports deal.
The power elite was stunned by the explosion of outrage over the leasing of six U.S. ports to Arab sheiks. Nationalism remains a more potent force than globalism, and not only in America.
In Clinton’s first term, McCain stood with the establishment for NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and the Mexican bailout. Middle America opposed them all.
In the past decade, the MARs have opposed free-trade deals, and lost, but won virtually every referendum on gay marriage, affirmative action or welfare for illegal aliens. Invariably, the MARs are portrayed as bigots, nativists, xenophobes, protectionists and isolationists, and their leaders as demagogues. In McCain’s words from 2000, they are “agents of intolerance.”
This is fine if you wish to be beloved in this city, but it may be a fatal impediment if you want to be president.
McCain’s problem is that, in 2008, when his old press idolaters have found a new favorite, these are the people who hold his key to the presidency. They are the Democrats who voted against Barack Obama by wide margins in Pennsylvania and Ohio and landslide margins in West Virginia and Kentucky.
These Democrats can still win this race for John McCain. Many admire his war record. But not only is he not one of them, he has taken pride and pleasure in having been their great antagonist.
Could McCain win them back in five weeks? Perhaps. Is he willing to do what is necessary to win them back? Probably not. It would go against his instincts and his image of himself.
The issues that move these folks are not just the $700 billion bailout of Gordon Gekko’s comrades, but the invasion of America from Mexico, the export of their jobs, factories and future to Asia, and the gnawing fear that the country they grew up in is being sacrificed for the benefit of an internationalist elite.
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The maverick is toast. He showed his arrogant elitist credentials with the Wall Street Welfare bill. While he had his chance to stand up for Americans, by siding with Bush/Obama/Pelosi/Reid and gang he surely alienated voters instead of winning them over. Also, he has utterly failed to address the energy issue, the economy and the Bush wars that everybody hates.
Palin didn’t improve the situation in her Biden encounter. In fact, I got sick of hearing the words “maverick” and “corrupt and greedy”. McCain is owned lock, stock and barrel by the corrupt and greedy. Having failed at his big chance to take on the corrupt and greedy, McCain has committed political suicide. But frankly, I’ve always despised him based on his voting record and F- rating from the GOA.
Like many frustrated conservatives, I won’t be voting Republican and have opted for Barr or Baldwin.
As much as it grieves me to see Obama as the next el presidente, I’m truly looking forward to the GOP suffering a gargantuan defeat. But in a way, we will be no worse off because the Democrats and Republicans have morphed into the Uniparty controlled by the global ruling elites.
Most of the “real” conservatives I know are Paulites who were savagely booted from gopusa.com, redstate.com, Free Republic and other GOP controlled forums. Such Nazi tactics won’t bring us to the polls in Nov. to cast a vote for the GOP. As a Texan, I was booted out of my county convention by the county Nazis for the crime of supporting Ron Paul. The Buchanites, Paulites, Constitutionalists and anti-war conservatives have been warning the GOP for years that the war and the economy would be the end of the GOP.
And so it has come to pass.
Does the GOP think that all those Nevada Paulites who got stiffed are going to vote Republican? Obama made a big investment in Nevada and it’s turned blue.
Bush and the neocons have destroyed America as well as the conservative movement.
One final note - Palin really could not have been all that she was cranked up to be if she allowed herself to become a blank page for the neocons. They ruined her.
I most certainly agree with boudicca on her assessment of John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the sad state of the GOP. I was one of those disaffected Paulites who was denied a voice at the Nevada state GOP convention. But it is not only how we were treated, which leads me to not vote GOP this election, but also the direction the GOP is headed. After November 4th, it will be interesting to see what path the party leadership decides to take. I hear more and more of my fellow conservatives turning leftwards to neoconservative values. No longer do they believe in limited government, low or no taxes, a humble foreign policy, or the Bill of Rights. Rather they are seeing government as the answer to life’s problems. They want to control government to espouse social conservatism to the masses in the way the Democrats use it to espouse social liberalism. The GOP’s identity is lost.
I will be fighting for true, conservative values in the central committee meetings, but if the party decides to embrace the Left, then I will find myself along with other conservatives leaving the party. If the Democrats are defined as Left or hard Left, the GOP will be defined as Left or moderate Left. Both would be considered socialists. And perhaps the new Center will be defined as being somewhere in between, though, it will be far to the left of where it was 20 years ago.
John McCain is a leftist. That we know. Sarah Palin has appeared to betray herself. She has lost my respect. But in the end, I am saddened to say that we will be going down the same destructive path with either McCain or Obama.
For those that realize this (the MAR’s), cast a vote of no confidence and go third party. Who knows, maybe enough of us will, and some of them might even win.
Most of the “real” conservatives I know are Paulites who were savagely booted from gopusa.com, redstate.com, Free Republic and other GOP controlled forums. Such Nazi tactics won’t bring us to the polls in Nov. to cast a vote for the GOP. As a Texan, I was booted out of my county convention by the county Nazis for the crime of supporting Ron Paul. The Buchanites, Paulites, Constitutionalists and anti-war conservatives have been warning the GOP for years that the war and the economy would be the end of the GOP.
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Not many voters actually are actually forumites. I’d guess that for every forumite there are 10,000 voters who don’t troll forums like you and I.
What was Palins response to the perversion in our society? “My best friends are gay!” GREAT. And people here want to vote for this? A neo-con is a neo conservative (the conservative being a pro war, pre emptive nuke killing nationalist) LIBERAL! And she is the cookie cutter! Is that what the Conservative movement has been reduced to? Giving up, endless spending and “tolerance” as Palin so eloquently put it? Furthermore, is that what American religion has been reduced to? It is worse then Rome.
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Yeah I thought it was typical NeoRepublican’ish of Palin to feel the need to declare, “I’m not a bigot see my friends.”
I think the first two comments are well spoken. In spite of McCain’s terrible posturing on illegal immigrant amnesty, illegal wars, and his siding with the “bailout”, I think that he will get the support of at least 50 million Evangelical Christians who will be voting against Obama.
I plan to vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Sincerely, what is the problem? The problem is McCain is too old, too known and too enigmatic, too conected to Bush Jr. and too Maverick… He is all that and nothing exactly. I think he isn’t that the Americans ask. And the mass media ask Obama, now… Then we see. McCain is fighting very good, in my opinion.
The problem with McCain as well as Obama is that they are both owned and operated by the global plutocracy. Voters know; or should know, that under a McCain or Obama’s Administration we will get more Free Trade deals, more jobs exported to the third world, and the NAU(North American Union) offered as a solution to our economic wos.
Can the MARs save McCain? Yes. Will they? No. I guess I am one. There’s necessary quid pro quo that the maverick not only doesn’t understand, but clearly loathes. He and his emissaries, e.g. Lindsey Graham, have too often gone out of their way to express their hatred for those of us who cherish America’s sense of continuity, its heritage and its traditions. I’m going to leave him hanging out to dry in a couple of weeks; I just can’t continue to vote for the lesser of two weasels. I did that in 2000, and look what it got me.
I thought Palin held out fairly well in the debate but she had one hand tied behind her back. The campaign coached her to talk about the bad rich guys making loans to victims but did NOT tell her the underlying causes of the bank crash, namely, Jimmy Carter’s CRA (Community Reinvestment Act), which forced Fanny Mae to give a certain percentage of low-interest loans with easy terms to minorities, and was beefed up by Clinton and Bush. Bush’s HUD site calls for a “Zero down payment initiative.” Just the kind of thing that crashes banks. Because of this bipartisan involvement, neither party can address the causes of the problem and hence, neither can propose a real solution. That’s why the MARs oppose the bailout. The candidates can say “greedy lenders,” but they can’t say “socialist lending policies,” because both are in it up to their eyeballs. Bush and both candidates are ideologically motivated. Palin’s own personal ideas on this are a mystery. Details on crash causes can be found at Laigle’s Forum.
The best thing that can happen to “the little guy” is for Obama to win. I hate for that to happen but if McCain is elected, we will have no hope for at least 8 years because McCain will destroy the hope of a truly conservative canndidate winning in 2012. I believe Sarah Palin has sold her soul to the neocons and is just a parrot for McCain. If this elitist bailout bill passes our dollar will immediantly loose at least 10% of its value. Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter should be our next president not either of the 2 buffoons who were nominated. We as a country are in very sad shape and when will the fall come, I believe possibly in the next 2 years.
McCain could have gone to Washington and done America a world of good by voting against the bailout — advising congress to cut its reckless spending at home and abroad, curb regulation, cut taxes, and pursue a sound monetary policy, instead, the “maverick” went along with the herd and gave dictatorial powers to Treasury Secretary Paulson and an unelected unaccountable government licensed monopoly - the Federal Reserve Board. He voted in favor of the same destructive strategy - prop us prices at all costs - that was tried and failed during the Great Depression.
I listened to Pat last night on MSNBC, and he raved about Gov. Palins’ performance; Frankly, I felt completely defeated and hopeless - to hear her incomprehensible comments on the economy and then listen to her parrot Mccain’s neoconservative foreign policy knowing that the only thing that got us out of the Depression the last time was not bigger government, but WWII! I guess I’m thinking that a McCain Palin ticket could only lead to an all out WWIII - failing to do what’s necessary to straigthen out the ecomony, they’ll succeed in involving the United States in another unnecessary war.
The Democrats are wrong on social issues and the economy, and Pat would say vote Republican because taxes(okay that’s a start) and one or two Supreme Court judges are worth voting for, but frankly, I need more. I’m losing heart.
Braveheart
It’s a shame, but a reality, that the Republican Party has lost it’s way and become nearly indistinguishable from the Democratic Party.
The only thing short of eventual bloody revolution that will save the Russians from being correct about the USA becoming a secondary power is a viable third party taking power in Washington. I believe the Constitution Party and components of the Libertarian and other parties can unite under a well-known leader (such as Ron Paul) and really make a difference. I think this ideal party can draw numerous disgruntled members from both the Republicans and the Democrats. Perhaps steps are already being made in this direction, especially by Ron Paul. However, I don’t think any of the third parties in their current form can break into the castle built by the current two power wielding parties. Some changes will be necessary to attract greater numbers of citizens, but, the core constitutional and conservative values must be retained.
A greater number of citizens will have to take some time off from watching garbage television and other distractions to actually educate themselves and participate in the democratic process before it’s too late. Members of the two ruling parties must also face the fact that the parties have become essentially one machine destined to destroy our country.
Let’s hope great and cool-headed minds prevail, and lead our country successfully into the future.
Let Obama win. He will inherit a defunct economy, rising crime rates, international affairs
he knows nothing about, etc. He won’t be able to
do a thing to stop the oncoming carnage. It’s just a matter of time before the Clintons and their friends go after him. Then we can pray for a true
conservative to rise up.
I think very tough times are coming to America. Please do not kill jews. Most of us are not Bernankes, Greenspans, Wolfowitzes or Krystals. And do not attack muslims. Most of them are not Bin Ladens or Zawahiris.
I’m afraid Franhtribe may be correct. I’ve been suspicious of McCain since I saw videos of him exiting a plane returning from POW status. He was so chubby he could hardly fit ibnto his uniform. Very unlike otheer POWs. I don’t mean to disparage the sacrifices of anyone who underwent such torture, but McCain apparently admittted he was “broken”. I hope that doesn’t mean he was “turned” as they say in the intel business. Communists are very good at that. They’ve been at it for a long time.
I don’t think Sarah Palin is insincere, but maybe she’s being used as a “useful idiot”, though she’s no idiot by any means.
If she realizes that, and backs out, it would send a real message1 Maybe in four ywears we could have a Buchanan-Palin ticket that might be a landsluide I’m probably still too optimistic!
WHT
I agree with Braveheart regarding Pat Buchanan’s rave review of Sarah Palin’s performance. I got queasy in my stomach. I am hoping he was speaking only of her composure and fluid style and not the content of her remarks. She avoided questions she didn’t want to answer and was wound up tighter than the Energizer Bunny by her Neocon handlers.
I won’t be voting for any politician who voted for the $700 billion + bailout, and that includes McCain.
Maybe McCain did blow it on the bailout but if he does loose in Nov. sadly enough the biggest loosers will be the unborn. I had some hope in Gov. Palin but as some said above she seems to be betraying herself.
Do we plug our noses and vote GOP again in ” hopes” of better judges ,advancing the prolife movement and keeping our 2nd ammendment rights????
Pray hard before Nov.
Antlep, do you really think that McCain is going to overturn Roe v. Wade? Remember who Reagan’s first pick for the Supreme Court was? The pro-abortion Sandra Day O’Conner. Remember who picked David Souter? Remember who W first picked? Harriet Miers. If abortion was ever stopped in this land, who could the Republicans count on for votes? It’s the single issue that keeps getting them elected. They want to keep it that way.
Middle America as Pat pictures it is rapidly dying off. The cultural values that Pat advocates have no spokesman in either party willing to pay the price. There are no media of any circulation promoting either libertarianism or cultural conservatism with conviction. Those that promote it at all are typically neoconservatives whose main loyalties are free trade and permanent engagement in the middle east. Middle America will always lose because no party represents economic populism and cultural conservatism. And if one were created, it would be quickly infiltrated and subverted by the usual suspects, as the Reform Party was when Pat was its candidate. For that matter, Nixon’s Silent Majority was backstabbed when we sacrificed the lives of young blue collar men for more than a year after deciding to back out. As for Reagan, it was on his watch that campus speech codes, corporate diversity training and hate crime punishments first made their appearance and proliferated while Reagan did nothing, nor did any GOP senator except for Larry Craig, who briefly tried to get federal funds withheld from colleges that demanded politically correct thought and behavior from students. Reagan defeated Soviet Communism perhaps, but did nothing to prevent its migration to America. Only when we build an intellectually serious and courageous conservative movement will there be any hope of reversing the decline. But each year that passes without the dogmas of politican correctness being effectively challenged, the odds of eventual success diminish. Remember “God, mom and apple pie?” You don’t hear that phrase anymore. Two down and one to go. The fact is, the middle American is rightly described as “under-educated and easily led.” I hope to be proved wrong, but that’s my take on it.
shaubut ,
I would be supprised if he did pick constitutionalist judges but we know what Osama will be picking.
I think you have a good point about Republicans wanting to keep the issue of abortion out there to keep getting elected.
We need to give the neo cons the boot and get more PJB’s and Ron Paul’s in from top to bottom but I don’t think that will happen til we get rid of these voting machines .
Like I said we need to pray hard.
Principle is of utmost importance - I have always thought that! But one MUST look reality in the face and do the right thing! We have only (2) choices as to the actual outcome of this election, as to who will be the next President of the US. We either get McCain, who is at best a Liberal leaning Conservative, but a man that will at least keep some check on a Demoncratic House and Senate. Or we get Obama, who is the “most liberal Senator”, a man who we know so little about and the things we do know about him are pure Socialism.
Here’s the voting results of the last time we did the “principled” thing in our voting of 1996:
Dole – 39,198,755
Perot - 8,085,403
Brown – 485,798
Phillips – 182,820
Total: 47,952,776
Clinton – 47,402,357
If all of those who voted the “principled” vote for Perot, Brown, and Phillips had voted for Dole, we would have avoided 4 more years of Clinton. Here are just (4) things that come immediately to mind that we got from Clinton in his 2nd term:
1) Monica Lewinsky (I consider this the greatest affront to anything else that he did. The Oval Office is our nation’s most sacred room. A place where previous Presidents have cried out to God for His Wisdom and God has guided them, and us, through difficult waters. It’s like somebody violating the Holy of Holies.)
2) 222 Court Appointees
3) The first President to be Impeached
4) Pardons for Criminals:
On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in New York City and Chicago, convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as for firearms and explosives violations… Congress recognizes that the FALN is responsible for “6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials.”
*Thank God we had a Republican Majority in both the House and Senate during those years!
Obama will have a Demoncratic Majority in both the House and Senate! There will be little hold on him doing whatever he desires to do… Anyone stepping in his way will be thrown under the bus and will be dismembered by the Obama driven Press! (Just look at what happened to Obama’s Pastor, how he dis’ed his grandmother, etc.). What will happen when he is put into the Presidency and becomes the most powerful man in the world?
Folks, stop kidding yourself and stop thinking that you are taking the higher ground standing on your principles. Stop thinking that you can just watch Obama win and then maybe the conservatives will re-group and be the strong and concerted front that they need to be… The way that I see it, we may not get the chance again as our country would have every potential to be hurled into a Socialist state that could potentially change the entire landscape of our country…
McCain and Palin, albeit a weak choice at best, is the ONLY choice! PLEASE DO NOT LET US HAVE A 1996 ELECTION REPEAT!!
I will be voting for Baldwin because that is the only vote I can make for freedom and our Constitution.
Obama and McCain are both deaf to the people because they are part of that elite Washington Cabal.
Why should the MARs save McCain? Why should I care if his ambition of becoming president is shot down? He has no right to the position, and I have no duty to vote fo a man who supports the destruction of my way of life through legal or illegal immigration, support of Israel, Mexico, China or other foreign nations, wealth transfer through bailouts, pork or entitlements, needless war, arrogance or plain stupidity. To hell with McCain. I think I’ll just sit back and enjoy the circus of an Obama presidency.
A system that offers only Obama and McCain is already broken.
Had the pleasure today of notifying the Chairman of the GOP that this will be the first Presidential election that I have not voted for a Republican candidate for President. I explained some of the many reasons why lifelong Republicans like myself (and my friends) are simply abandoning the Republican Party and going independent. I explained clearly that we ARE NOT coming back until upheaval forces the Republican Party into serious reform back to authentic conservatism and I explained what that was (in case he actually doesn’t know).
I then directed him to our site: The Paleo Conservatist and asked him to read some of the posts to educate himself on issues important to REAL conservatives.
Perhaps letters from lifelong Republicans turning independent will somehow jumpstart the serious upheaveal that is needed to reform the Republican party back to a party we can even belong to (much less look at ourselves in the mirror again the morning after an election.
Go and do likewise ladies and gentlemen. Go and do likewise…
Maybe we should start a grass roots revolt.All across the nation get groups of people that were against the bailout and go to their congressman or senator’s house that voted for the bill and piss on his/her lawn. If the cops had to arrest a hundred people at a hundred different places throughout the country maybe some body would get the hint. I believe this would make a bigger impression than even a million man march on Washington. The local politicians have got to realize who puts them in office.
John McCain would make a better president than Barack Obama.
“A national firestorm killed the bill and almost killed McCain’s campaign.”
His campaign was dead. You can’t even find anyone who voted for him in the Republican Primaries. He was selected by The GOP, NOT THE PEOPLE! Do you really think they give us a choice? When all they have to do is provide us with the illusion of choice. Not on your life.
He got here to Florida and mysteriously his campaign was awash in tons of cash. He sold his soul for that golden ring. McCain and Obama are both establishment shills. The only change that is coming is that things are going to get much worse for Americans.
Sky Tyler, you are quite correct about McCain coming to win the Republican primaries by the establishment. I agree with you that the only change forthcoming if either McCain or Obama are president is that things are going to get much worse for we the people. But because the fraud of the establishment is so in the peoples’ faces, things will get really bad for the establishment.
Geo,
They did this Bailout (theft of the Treasury) against the absolute will of the people. When do you think Americans will finally figure out that this government has turned hostile to its citizens?
The only reason I can see to vote McCain is that he will appoint pro-life judges. But I am not convinced of this. Even Palin has been schooled by her neocon handlers to advocate “let the states decide”, a position devised by neocon Bill Kristol to marginalize the pro-lifers. We wouldn’t “let the states decide” whether to practice infanticide, so why abortion?
The downside to McCain is that he will have us fighting to destroy every state that is hostile to Israel, and Russia to boot. I am an anticommunist but not an anti-Russian and I don’t blame Putin for playing rough with the Mafia. The Russian ‘reform’ movement, e.g. Garry Kasparov, has made coalition with the ‘Radical Bolsheviks’ - so you can see where they’re coming from. Bolsheviks are welcome, nationalists are excluded. Predictably the neocons are hawkish on Russia.
Finally, I see Obama as LESS radical on social issues than Hillary, for example. This comes out in his health plan proposals which (he says) will allow us to choose our doctor. In general, blacks are less radical on social issues than white liberals. After all, they’re churchgoers.
Church going? McCain?
The adulterer, at least three times by his own words.
Godly? McCain?
Married to an adulterer. A thief. A liar. A felon.
Conservatively Principled? McCain?
Was that before or after the gambling debts, the Keating 5, John Singlaub?
WWJD….He’d vote Obama and chase McCain/Palin from His temple.
Look…I have one voice on the matter, and it is called a vote. Why should I prostitute my principles out to “the Liar McCain” or “the Lunatic Obama”? I’m glad McCain voted for the Bailout Bill, at least for one reason: It reminded me of why I didn’t want to vote for him to begin with.
And Palin??? She is on the shortest neo-con leash, and the neo-cons are on the shortest one-worlders rainbow leash.
One last question: Why didn’t Ron Paul run as an Independent when he saw his great backing/following? He saw this fiasco coming and if you have read his 30 years of statements before Congress, you’d think he was a prophet. He is the one who should be our next President. When I hear him speak, he reminds me of the Presidents of the past great generations which I have read about in history books of old (until they were revised and rewritten by the neocons or anti-American liberals).
McCain is just another BIG GOV stooge….I am a Republican but I would NEVER vote for him.
Chuck Baldwin is a true conservative and gets my vote.
“It’s a shame, but a reality, that the Republican Party has lost it’s way and become nearly indistinguishable from the Democratic Party.”
Even if that’s true, you’re talking about the ‘old’ Democratic Party (Clintons). Have you looked at the ‘new’ Democratic Party? The head of MoveOn/Daily Kos (Hypocrisy Inc.) said “It’s our party now. We bought it, we own it.” Yes, Hypocrisy Inc. has aquired the ‘new’ Democratic Party. Where did they get the money? Not from the ‘grass roots’, that’s for sure. The ‘netroots’ are a thousandfold more influential than Communist Party USA ever was — they’ve almost certainly been targeted by foreign nationals. If you were a foreign power and saw the chance to leverage the internet from inside of America to drive media markets and shape American ideas and culture, would you sit on your hands?
We should put pressure on Libertarian and Constitutional parties to unite in this election. Otherwise, there is no chance.
jewish4PJB,
The Libertarian and Constitution parites are going to see unprecedented amounts of votes this election precisely because the “right went wrong” and McCain exemplifies that. He stands for nearly NOTHING that I care about. I definetly won’t be disappointed to keep another neo-con fraud from power. Too bad the GOP is DOA and has rejected Buchanan, Paul, and others that have a clue as to limited Gov.
I would NEVER vote for a guy like McCain that’s going to try to tax “global warming”….the fact that the GOP voted this guy in is a joke (unless the votes were “hacked”).
The MARs are the prime victims of eight years of Republican malfeasance. They are the ones who are in danger of losing their jobs, their homes and their 401ks, if they haven’t already lost these things. These are the folks who want change, and most of them are bright enough to know that they are not going to get it from John McCain.
I think that this year the MARs are going to do what they did in 1932. I think that, for the most part, they are going Democratic.
Realitycheck needs to to a reality check. You speak as if there is some difference between Obama and McCain. There marching orders (and money) come from the same place. A vote for either one is a vote for an even greater fascist police state. I believe a vote for Chuck Baldwin would be a God honored vote.
More than that, we need to have Congressmen with enough spine to nationalize the Federal Reserve, then repudiate the national debt.
The situation is practically out of control of the election process. Johnd774, above, has something close to what we might do. But rather than urinating on our Senator’s or Congressperson’s lawn, we should direct our local Sheriff to arrest them for treason, and stand prepared to place a Constitutional person in their seat.
Jewish4PJB, you are correct. I think that the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party need to unite by withdrawing their candidates for President and putting their support behind Ron Paul for President. Ron Paul has been the real patriot for America, as well as a prophet, throughout his years in Congress, and he should the man on the ballot.
kanaan said:
“It’s a shame, but a reality, that the Republican Party has lost it’s way and become nearly indistinguishable from the Democratic Party.”
Even if that’s true, you’re talking about the ‘old’ Democratic Party (Clintons).
kanaan,
I stand corrected. The “new” socialist, I mean, Democratic party, seems to be even further left, shriller, & more wacky than the old party. And they definitely seem to be much better funded.
I’m always skeptical of conspiracy theories, however, it’s difficult for me to comprehend how half of the population of THIS country really think the Democrats have good plans for us. Can all that money spent on spewing the rediculous propaganda really make true believers out of so many? I simply can’t figure it out. Maybe many more people than I imagined really do want to give up their freedom and let the omnipotent and all-wise government spoon-feed them everything. It sure seems as if an enemy nation or group has taken control of the Democratic Party, body-snatcher style. Well, at least they’re providing dough.
I do hope that many Democrats are only clinging to tradition and just have their heads in the sand. Maybe they’ll take a look around soon.
I can’t believe the Clinton era was the good old days! That’s a little scary.
Of course, the Republican party, as I and many others have mentioned, is in serious trouble. It has forgotton it’s core values and it’s core members. It may be too late to salvage it. The leaders don’t seem to be “getting it”. They’re begging to be sent home.
Deciding who to vote for (and not just for president) in the upcoming election is going to be nerve-racking for me. The third party candidates are looking better every day. Chuck Baldwin may get my vote.
Can we stop the decline of our nation? Not with the apathy that many, if not most, seem to be suffering from. We can’t sit back forever and let all the work, sacrifice, and blood that built this nation be for naught.
Expose the foreign influence on this election with Obama and the game is over. Less than 30 days to go, then Europe wins the US election.
Jim Coughlin
Gilford, NH
John McCain’s big problem is…John McCain. There is no way I could ever vote for him. McCain and Obama are clear and compelling evidence that we need a third party and probably a fourth.
I never really liked John McCain, I never bought his campaign promises in dos mil (2000) and he has pretty much not stood for anything that he promised way back then. He has pretty much sold the conservatives out on every major issue in the last eight years. He has pal’d around with the likes of Ted Kennedy, Russ Finegold, Trent Lott and the person I despise most of all Lindsey Graham.
I have thought about the supreme court judge issue but if I was a betting man I would bet he would appoint more liberal judges then Obama.
I have long ago totally washed my hands of Bush 2 and find no difference between Johnny Mac and Georgy Boy. If anybody can name one thing please
inform me of it.
I will vote independant!!!!
McCain shot himself when he invited Gov. Palin to the ticket and dodged Romney and Hutchinson. He lost his most creditable argument, EXPERIENCE. What is going on with McCain with wanting to buy everyone a house… Sen. McCain just don’t get it… Plus its getting kind of tense out there with some radical McCain supporters invoking death threats to fellow citizen. Lets be serious here, i don’t want Obama in office and McCain isn’t offering anything sensible.
Well there is really some angst out there over John Mc Cain and for good reason. I suppose (but wouldn’t bet on it) that he was a principled and patriotic citizen at one time but now he is facing his last hurrah. He will never get another chance to be the most powerful man in the world so why wouldn’t he do and say everything his handlers tell him? Why wouldn’t he take pretty little Sarah as his running mate, even though he really wanted Lieberman, why wouldn’t he undertake a negative campaign when he announced during the primaries he would not do that? This is Johns last chance and he has to say and do what his handlers (puppeteers?) tell him, the same handlers that got George W elected and set the policies for the last 8 years.
As mentioned above the MARS have been for the most part on the short end of the stick cajoled by fake inflation numbers and outright lies about our foriegn involvements but they are sensing something isn’t quite right and when the deck of cards economy created in the last 8 years collapsed they KNOW something aint right. Will John Mc Cain really do what is right for the nation or will he continue to pander and kow tow to the 5% that control the money. I don’t think he has any choice; he is owned by the powers that put him up as the nominee for the party and must do as they say i.e. the bailout.
John’s own mother said “the conservatives are going to have to hold their noses and vote for John”. Well she may have been only partly right about that; at least some I know are going to hold their nose and vote for Obama.