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Day of Reckoning

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State of Emergency

State of Emergency
November 25th, 2008

Meeting Medvedev Halfway

By Patrick J. Buchanan

The morning after Barack Obama’s election, the congratulatory message from Moscow was in the chilliest tradition of the Cold War.

“I hope for constructive dialogue with you,” said Russia’s president, “based on trust and considering each other’s interests.”

Dmitry Medvedev went on that day, in his first State of the Union, to charge America with fomenting the Russia-Georgia war and said he has been “forced” to put Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad to counter the U.S. missile shield President Bush pledged to Poland.

Medvedev had painted Obama into a corner. No new American president can be seen as backing down from a Russian challenge.

Three days later, Polish President Lech Kaczynski tried to box Barack in. His office declared that, during a phone conversation with Kaczynski, Obama had promised to deploy the anti-missile missiles.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough denied it.

One week later, however, Medvedev wisely walked the cat back.

During the G-20 summit in Washington, he told the Council on Foreign Relations the issue of Russian missiles in Kaliningrad “is not closed. I am personally ready to discuss it, and I hope that the new president and the new administration will have the will to discuss it.”

President-elect Obama should not let this opportunity slip by, for a second signal came last week that Russia does not want the Cold War II that the departing neocons wish to leave on his plate.

Moscow offered Spain and Germany use of Russian territory to supply NATO troops in Afghanistan. As our supply line from the Pakistani port of Karachi through the Khyber Pass to Kabul grows perilous, this has to be seen as a gesture of friendship by a Russia that shares, as a fellow victim of Islamic terror, the U.S. detestation of al-Qaida.

Opportunity also presents itself with the official report of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe on the August war. According to The New York Times, the OSCE found, consistent with Moscow’s claims, that Georgia “attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm.”

Russia’s response — running the Georgian Army out of South Ossetia, occupying Abkhazia and recognizing both as independent nations — may seem disproportionate and excessive. But, contrary to John (”We are all Georgians now!”) McCain, Moscow has a compelling case that Georgia’s Mikhail Saakashvili started the fire.

Medvedev is now on a four-nation Latin tour with stops in Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and Fidel Castro’s Cuba. But this seems more like diplomatic tit-for-tat for high-profile U.S. visits to Tbilisi and other ex-Soviet republics than laying the groundwork for some anti-American alliance.

For, just as for Washington the relationship with Moscow is far more crucial than any tie to Tbilisi, so Moscow’s tie to Washington is surely far more crucial to Russia than any tie to Caracas or Havana.

With these opening moves, how might Obama test the water for a better relationship with the Russia of Medvedev and Vladimir Putin?

First, Obama should restate his campaign position that no anti-missile system will be deployed in Poland until fully tested.

Second, he should declare that, as this system is designed to defend against an Iranian ICBM with a nuclear warhead, it will not be deployed until Iran has tested an ICBM and an atomic device.

So long as the Iranian threat remains potential, not actual, there is no need to deploy a U.S. missile defense in Poland against it.

Third, he should invite Medvedev to Camp David to discuss what more they might do together to ensure that no such Iranian threat, to either nation, ever materializes. For if Iran does not test an ICBM or atomic device, what is the need for a missile defense in East Europe?

Fourth, invoking the principle of self-determination, Obama might propose a plebiscite in Georgia and Abkhazia to determine if these people wish to return to Tbilisi’s rule.

The second bone of contention between us is prospective NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine.

As NATO is a military alliance, at the heart of which is Article V, which obligates every ally to come to the defense of a member who is attacked, to bring Georgia in would be madness.

To cede to Saakashvili power to bring us into confrontation with Russia would be to rival British stupidity in giving Polish colonels power to drag the empire into war with Germany over Danzig, which is exactly what the Polish colonels proceeded to do in 1939.

Before the NATO summit next week, Obama should signal to NATO, and the Bush administration, that nothing irreversible should be done to put Ukraine or Georgia on a path to membership.

First, because the president-elect will decide himself about new war guarantees in Eastern Europe or the Caucasus. Second, because these are matters to be taken up at a Medvedev-Obama summit, not foreclosed for him by neocons now trooping home to their think tanks.

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36 comments to Meeting Medvedev Halfway

  • steveinvista

    The intelligence and foresight of your reasoning and proposed policies for President Elect Obama leave me no room to disagree with your points, Pat.

    However, I have to note two things about Obama –

    1) He is utterly against Right to Life and I have to remember what Mother Teresa said: “if they will murder babies they will do anything.”

    2) Who owns the controlling interest in his funding?

    Ben Gurion (shown on Piper’s book’s cover) had JFK assassinated and now 45 years later we have a Communist-Judaic about to take the Presidency.

    Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy (Paperback)
    by Michael Collins Piper (Author)

    http://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0974548405

    Let’s see what Obama is really like – on/or just after – the inauguration.

    Communist:

    Obama’s Communist connections

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=6113

    Judaic:

    Obama’s Jewish roots run deep

    http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/theslant/blog/2008/09/obamas_jewish_roots_run_deep.html

    The following about Gematria is quite accurate but I quote it for the allegory. Hopefully, it won’t even be allegorical. However, we will see if the shoe fits.

    It is interesting that if you spell his middle name in an archaic manner in English (with an a, which matches the literal transliteration from the Syriac-Arabic script), it is Hussaein. In Hebrew Gematria that equals 666. I am not saying he is the Antichrist. Maybe one of the ten horns. Birds of a feather…. I hope Alan Keys’ lawsuit prevails against Obama’s birth status.

    Obama’s birth certificate

    WorldNetDaily Sunday, November 9, 2008 Today’s Edition

    The Report From Washington
    Ellis Washington

    Obama and our coming constitutional crisis

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=6149

    Hebrew Gematria reference:

    Go to the third one down labeled – Hebrew Gematria

    In this one enter Hussaein – Enter Hebrew:

    Click outside Hebrew field to calculate value.
    See the value in this box – Gematria =

    http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/Isopsephia.html

  • Pat Buchanan admonishes neo-cons for seeing current world affairs through the prism of WWII politics, but too often he does the same. Buchanan’s was right to say Hussein was not Hitler and Iraq wasn’t Nazi Germany–as Bush and Neo-cons would have us believe–, but Buchanan falls into the trap of seeing Russia/Europe/US relations as a mirror reflection of WWII. As Lukacs has often said, history doesn’t repeat itself.

    Because Putin/Medvedev are not psychopaths, America need not worry about WWIII with Russia. When push comes to shove, Putin/Medvedev aren’t even as dangerous as Khrushchev.

    By the way, the video below entirely disproves Buchanan’s thesis in his recent Hitler/Churchill book. Hitler’s problem was something entirely different.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg_05JDQu90

  • therock

    I am dissapointed in this PJB post. Pat has been more forcefull, in the past, in his derision of the NEOCON cabal and its warmongering stance against Russia. At least he points out, if a bit tepidly, that Sack-of-Shit-villi started the war in Georgia.
    We should be best friends with Christian Russia, period!
    Unfortunately, Obama will be ‘advised ‘ by many members ot the left wing of the NECON cabal, vultures all.
    …beware the power of this evil cabal.

  • One thought of PJB with which I definitely agree: The Bush administration should take NO action which would foreclose ANY options open to the Obama/Biden administration, either those suggested by PJB or other new ideas, insofar as the handling of our diplomatic options and position vis-a-vis Russia and the eastern European states. Leave all further decisions about NATO to the Obama/Biden administration, Bush neocons – and just get out of town before you screw up anything else in our country!

  • David Sullivan

    The U.S. should respect the Monroesky Doctrinesky and not station anything near Russia. Antimissile defense belongs on ships, which are much more flexible. Among the dozen or more advantages ships have over fixed sites it that they can jam and decoy an attack, which fixed sites cannot. No multibillion foreign aid to the host nation. Fewer sailors and airmen bringing back bar girl brides and mama san.

  • therock

    ‘Fewer sailors and airmen bringing back bar girl brides and mama san.’
    That could be right out of Jack Nickolson in ‘As Good As It Gets’-Funny!!

    Let Russia be, DA!!

  • geo

    I think that we should understand that Zionist New World Order Zbigniew Brzezinski controls the Obama administration. He notoriously hates Russia. So we can expect nothing from a Camp David meeting.

    We should also understand that this is the New Russia…not the Cold War USSR. Putin has come a long way in cleansing his country of the Zionist New World Order thugs. The last thing the Russians want is another calamitous war. With Bolshevik Zionist Communism they lost 30-40 million people who would not kneel down to the Zionist god of communism. Due to World War II, they lost another 20 million after Zionists helped to create Nazism.

    It seems that if the Zionist New World Order does not get its way (and they are failing miserably to get their way), that they will take the entire world down with them rather than fail. The U.S. and their EU allies have now reached the point of failure and desperation. They will tell any lie, and are apt to commit any unspeakable crime, just as they have committed war crimes in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and South Ossetia. The Zionist West essentially feels Russia must obey it, but Russia will not roll over and obey. The Grand Chessboard scheme of Zbigniew Brzezinski is lost. Russia won.

    The fraudulent Global War on Terror, which includes the mass genocidal wars for oil and the war to keep opium flowing out of Afghanistan, is lost.
    This lunacy of backing Israel blindly for 60 years to the severe and brutal detriment of many Islamic nations in the Middle East (and now the Islamic peoples of the Caspian Basin, Iran and Pakistan) has proven to be a colossal mistake and monumental failure of U.S. foreign policy. There is only so much belittling, demeaning, humiliating, abusing, maiming and killing, that peoples of any land will tolerate. The U.S. is no longer welcome in much of this part of the world. The U.S. is not hated for its freedoms. It is hated for its policies and what its Zionist N.W.O. butcher leaders think they alone have the right to do to other nations and other human beings.

  • Rodfish

    Hi,

    just a few comments on the last few posts.

    The Catholic Jesuits, the spearhead of the murder of thousands Indians in the now south America, by Catholic Spain, and her troops, they also stole their gold.

    The modern day catholic priests have raped and buggered hundred’s of boys all over the world, check out Boston.

    George Washington’s fine words proclaiming a thanks day holiday.

    Not bad for a slave owner.

    Xmas The 25th December is of course a mid winter pagan, northern folks, festival stolen by the Catholic Church.

    Greenery, mistletoe, trees, gifts, feasting are all pagan, forbidden in the old testament.

    And the burnt offering of turkey is pagan/moses.

    Some once said all life is an illusion or even an untruth.

    God, just an unproven idea.

  • GregY

    Rodfish, Check out The Mission and you’ll get an idea of what the Catholic jesuits were up against.
    And as CS Lewis said, if the claims of Christianity are true, then it makes sense that we would see elements of it in other religions that are adopted and “baptized” (fulfilled) by the Church. Even an unbeliever might want to check out Tom Woods’ book “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization” for a more balanced view of how Christianity has spread Light to the world.

  • Steveinvista, conservatives should rely less on the abortion issue. First, abortion is disproportionately practiced by racial minorities and white liberals. If abortion had been illegal since the 70s, the non-white population would today be over 150 million! All the kids who would not have been aborted would have had 4 to 7 kids themselves–and many of them would be on welfare and committing crime. If minorities and white liberals want to abort their kids, I say let them.

    A related issue is the conservative opposition to biotechnology–as in cloning. But, if the white race isn’t producing enoug kids, shouldn’t bio-technology serve as an option? Better to have Europe dominated by a majority of cloned white folks–genetically designed to be super-intelligent, super-strong, and super-beautiful–than by Muslims and North Africans.

    Finally, abortion is appealing to conservatives as moral short cut in a nation that is still morally–if not religiously–very Christian. Christianity is egalitartian, anti-rich, pacificist, guilt-inducing and guilt-ridden, self-loathing(I’m a sinner before God), and etc. On most issues, liberals have a Christo-moral advantage over conservatives–despite closer Religious affiliation on the part of cons. Liberals are more likely to support allowing poor people into the country, more for social welfare, more for tolerance, more for ’sharing’, more for national self-criticism bordering on self-loathing, etc. On most socio-moral issues, liberal positions are closer to Christian principles than conservative positions are. Conservatives love guns, country, the flag, gungho military, us-vs-them, this-is-OUR-country, preservation of WHITE survival, manliness, etc. Conservatives cry out for God and Country, but their God is more Old Testament than New Testament. Somehow, wearing a Jesus t-shirt and holding a Big shotgun doesn’t seem quite right. So, conservatives have been desperate to cling to a moral issue giving them a Christo-moral advantage over liberals… and it’s been abortion.

    Of course, some conservatives have opposed abortion on grounds that it gives women greater freedom and indepedence. For similar reasons, Japanese have banned birth control pills–which is a much more effective way of controlling female sexual behavior.

    Personally, I think conservatives should accept abortion in the first trimester. And, I’m not going to pretend that I really care about saving unborn babies of welfare idiots and liberal jerks. Less of them the better.

  • David Sullivan

    Christ could have sent sinless angels to be priests. It is a mystery. Instead, he founded the church with humans. Many disturbed men have taken vows of chastity and lived by them, as the best option open to them. They believed that with a life of prayer and service to the community, they could find God’s grace. Many did and struggled with their desire for pedophelia and overcame it.

    More male teachers than priests are pedophiles. Most of the priests chose the priesthood to overcome their pedophile desires. The teachers became teachers to exploit the opportunity.

  • roho

    therock is right!………..Let the Russian Bear sleep.

    And put our own house in order.

  • Revelation12

    GregY,

    rodfish, like so many other anti-Catholics, almost never get their history right. They are so emotionally strung out with hatred passed down from one generation to the next, that — they do not want the Truth. They are comfortable sitting in their warm sewer water.

    Have you ever noticed that these anti-Catholics have very little REAL education regarding world history, or that, they have been suckered into believing the liberal world-view lies taught in our colleges and universities?

    Of course, a little study of history in the U.S. and Europe will show you that Marxist teachings that are anti-American and anti-religion have dominated our universities for well over 60 years now.

    All rodfish can do is spew what he has been taught. An authentic seeker of the truth would have read a lot more by now and had their EYES OPENED to what is in PLAIN site to everyone else.

  • Monroe Doctrine and Monroevsky Doctrine, they are both bad. US should not bully its neighbors and neither should Russia bully hers. If we want to our national sovereignty preserved, we must respect those of our neighbors whether it be Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, etc. It’s neo-Monroe-ism that has led to Nafta and other agreements where US is supposed to play the Big Brother role for All the Americas. If Bolivia wants Morales, let it have it. Paleo-Monroe-ism was backed by the military, Neo-Monroe-ism has been backed by the dollar. We should shut our borders and control our destiny, and we should allow the same for all other nations in the Americas.

    During the Cold War, US understandably played more of an interventionist role in the Americas. Since the fall of communism, US has not militarily enforced its policy on the Americas.
    Why shouldn’t we expect the same of Russians. Russians should respect its neighbors at least to the extent to that US respects the nations of Latin America and Canada. We don’t threaten Canada because it has relations with Cuba. We don’t threaten Argentina or Brazil because it elected a leftist and has close ties with Chavez’s Venezuela. In the post-Cold War world, US respects the right of every nation in the Americas to choose its own destiny.

    Monroe Doctrine was one of the reasons for the bad feelings Latin Americans have had toward the US. Who were the Yanks to tell Latinos what to do?

    Russia still thinks like a 19th century power. It feels it has some divine historical right to treat its neighbors like fiefdoms or protectorates. Considering how much non-Russian republics suffered under Soviet Communism dominated by Russians–with Ukrainians losing 1/3 their population and Kazakhis losing 1/4 of theirs–, we should understand the fears of non-Russian republics. And, if only rhetorically, we should support democratic movements everywhere.

    But, Buchanan is right that US should not make any GUARANTEES or sign any PACTS that binds Americans to defend any nation that simply cannot be protected.

    Putin is good/bad, a very complex man. He’s a true Russian patriot who has restored order and a degree of prosperity, but Russia remains very corrupt and still thinks in the old paranoid KGB Soviet mode. To be sure, one wonders if Putin is really paranoid of encirclement or if it’s really just a matter of national pride–like Ethiopia was with Mussolini.

    There’s an irony here. US is the much richer and stronger power, but it seems helpless/hopeless in being able to restore and practice its national sovereignty whereas the much poorer and weaker Russia has greater control over its national destiny.

    This is because having friends may be more expensive–and fatal–than having enemies, especially if those friends are not really friends–nations and peoples who must always be bought off and done favors for. Russia, having fewer friends and dependents, can be defensive and nationalistic. US, having many ‘friends’, needs to accomodate them, appease them, do them favors, etc, etc.
    So, US bends over backwards to please China, Mexico, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and yes, even left-leaning nations like Brazil and Argentina.
    There was a time when it was enough for Americans to be respected. Now, we want to be LOVED. So, we have open borders, free trade, massive international aid, and even a cosmo-yuppie-Marxist president who’s adored by Anti-Americans all over the world.

  • While we’re on the issue of Russia, let us commemorate the 75th anniversary of the Ukrainian Holocaust since the liberal media will not–though it gives us weekly reminders of the Jewish Holocaust.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.com/authors/Dodgson-Ukraine.html#Ukraine

    Funny, but the samizdat culture is practiced by the Right today whereas the mainstream media have become the equivalent of Pravda preaching Obamarxism.

  • Cking

    Well Done Patrick,
    Carrying on the British tradition of an offensive encirclement of Russia is stupid. This “Great Game” has been going on since the Treaty of Vienna or at least since Edward VII. When they are not encircling Russia they encircle Germany. It is a economic and population contraction policy. The U.S. is called at the eleventh hour to clean up. Not good, not now. We have a fantastic problem in the monetary system now. Russia as you say does not want to war. It would be a tragedy to war with a country that means well and has aspirations of being like us. We need Russia now if only to help each other out of the present financial meltdown. In fact the U.S., Russia, China and India have the power, working together, to create the necessary counter measures to the murderous monetary system we seem trapped in. I can’t stand it now that at this late date we have “allies” introducing intriguing politics and persons in order to provoke a confrontation. We need to take a cold, calculating appraisal to our alliances right now and see how we benefited. Pres. Nixon was forced into this monetary system by our cousins and we have never recovered. I can guess that somewhere in the upper echelons War is being proposed as the antidote to our monetary meltdown, as a distraction I guess. I can’t believe there is not a man in the Wall St. crowd that will not stand and say the monetary system is dead “Save Yourselves”.

  • Rodfish

    Revelation12 said:
    GregY,

    rodfish, like so many other anti-Catholics, almost never get their history right. They are so emotionally strung out with hatred passed down from one generation to the next, that — they do not want the Truth. They are comfortable sitting in their warm sewer water.

    To the men in black, sexually suppressed, who carry a black book and talk to the dead, and raped children, in Boston.

    Jesus did not form a church as he preached in synagogues.

    He was a JEW.

    Nowhere in the bible is there an instruction from G-D to,
    Form a Catholic church.
    To create a Pope, ie. G-Ds voice.
    For the Pope to forgive sin in G-Ds name.
    To create saints in G-ds name
    To kneel down and worship a idol, Madonna.
    To wear big golden hats and golden uniforms.
    To create a nazi escape route.

    Jesus, “I have come NOT to change the law of the Prophets.”

    Are you guys still flagellating?

  • Fairhaven

    When did Russia become the Great Boogeyman?: When Tsar ‘Alexander I’ took Odessa and the north bank of the Black Sea from the Ottoman Empire in 1782. He eliminated the slave trade between the Ukraine and the Ottoman Empire and an important base for trade arbitrage between Slavs and Turks.

    The global network of hysterical Odessa emigres then went ballistic. And, the Tsar, the Orthodox Church and the Russian people then became the great boogeymen of the intellectual West.

    Napoleon in 1812, to his great misfortune, was goaded into seeking their doom, followed by Germany in 1914 and an equally foolish group in 1941. Then of course it became America’s turn.

    Who screamed the loudest about the boogeyman under the bed? Followers of the Odessa-raised Leon Trotsky and Vladmir Lenin, and the backers of Theodore Hertzl, no doubt.

    As Americans in 2008, instead of getting suckered into another anti-Slav, pro-Trotskyite diatribe against the Russian people, we should begin to ask (a) why Moscow pre-1917 had been called the “Third Rome” and (b) how the Christian Church the East was saved after the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

  • Mr. Wilson

    Excellent advice, Pat. And, hopefully, President Obama, different in so many ways, will not feel the need to play the role of testosterone-drenched cowboy in world affairs despite his relative youth and inexperience.

  • Actually, let us hope that Obama fails in every way. If Obama succeeds–if only in the short run–, we’re stuck with Bigger Government and Liberalism for the next 30 yrs. Let Obama mess up on foreign policy and everything else. Personally, I feel closer to Putin/Mededev than to Obama. Obama’s regime is no more OUR government than the Blum and Vichy regimes were legitimate rulers of the French. We are under the occupation of a black nationalist stealth Marxist.

  • Andrea Freiboden, first of all abortion is murder. The rule of law is to prevent wrongdoing such as murder. Secondly, you confuse me with some easily mislead “Christian Zionist” neo-con fool. I am not. I am an old time Catholic who was an adult for several years before the slaughter of the innocents was made pseudo-legal by the Roe v. Wade overthrow of the United States Constitution. Thirdly, your appeal to utilitarian deontic pseudo epistemology tells me why you don’t read Pat on WWII correctly. I will not speak for Pat. He is quite capable of doing that on his own. My view on WWII is simple. WWI and WWII and the coming WWIII are part of a dialectic organized by a variety of forces, each with it’s own agenda –

    1) the Judaic Zionists (if anyone thinks they don’t exist – who was that who invaded Palestine and continues to rape and pillage and murder the Palestinians and their land?)

    2) The Illuminati – no, not the product of wild on purpose, misleading “conspiracy theories”, but rather see:

    http://themasonicilluminati.blogspot.com/

    3) The Fed and every other Transnationalist usurious banking conglomerate, beginning with Rothschild and Kuhn-Loeb, historically. Today, the Fed and NYC Banks, the Cayman Islands and Geneva are part of the on going theft. See Petras for one:

    Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire, Bankers, Zionists, Militants by James Petras –
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Petras_James/Rulers_Ruled_USEmpire.html

  • Stevenista, abortion is racial suicide. Since the OTHER side practices it more, I say let them. If racial minorities and white liberals wanna abort their kids, I don’t care if it’s ‘murder’. If Mrs. Chomsky had aborted Noam, all the better. If Mrs. King had aborted Rodney, no sweat off my nose–and lot less of our blood spilt.

    As for WWIII, Catholicism was the world-wide movement that first sought to unify the world spiritually, culturally, morally, militarily, economically, etc, etc. If anything, Marxism is as much a sick outgrowth of Christian Catholicism as of Judaism, Zionism, and other universalist doctrines.

    In ‘State of Emergency’, Buchanan discusses how Romans conquered the Germanic barbarians militarily but were then conquered demographically in turn by the very same barbarians. Isn’t the same happening with the Catholic Church. More the non-Europeans and non-whites are converted to the faith, less Western, less white, more anti-Western and anti-white the Church becomes. It even sprouts something as sick as Liberation Theology.

    I have great respect for Catholicism as a cultural and historical heritage of the West. But, it’s ‘ideology’ is no different than that of Jihadism, Marxism, Neo-con-ism, and other World Government movements you’ve mentioned.
    Franco had it right. He regarded Catholicism as Spain’s cultural treasure–as a NATIONAL religion. He wasn’t crazy about its universalist/egalitarian moral creed which, if practiced, can only lead to the fall of the West. Catholics should stop trying to covert the world and build a wall around the WESTERN Catholic tradition.

    OF course, the ideal of one God, one Truth, and brotherly love among all men is all very nice. AS AN IDEAL, an impossible one at that which reminds us of our imperfections. It’s a nice ideal worthy of contemplation but never of practice. I admire Jesus’s ‘turn the other cheek’ advice and the noble way he died. Let us worship Him–if we must–as an impossible ideal than as a model for a world-unified-by-one-creed. Christian morality should never serve as our political creed. That’s not how we beat the ‘Japs’ and ‘Krauts’.

  • friscokid

    I must be missing something. I can’t understand why we’re making this problem with Iran so difficult. Why does NATO and Russia have to be involved at all? It’s obvious that the Iranian leaders, obvious terrorists, are developing a nuclear arsenal. I think that we should attack the Iranian nuclear sites. Why are our leaders reluctant to do this?

  • geo

    friscokid: Iran has done nothing in the way of attacking the U.S. It is not obvious that the Iranian leaders are terrorists. Thank God, Russia hasn’t attacked the U.S. for developing a nuclear arsenal. Arrogant American pride has gotten this country nowhere in the world, except bankrupt.

  • Where do we attack in Iran? We are not sure WHERE the key nuclear facilities are. Also, Iraqi Shias are close to Iranians, and we need stability in Iraq. If we strike Iran, Iraqi Shias may side with Iran and rise up against US soldiers. Also, the rest of the Muslim world will kneejerkedly express outrage over US attacking yet another Muslim nation. Also, the people of Iran–who don’t like their government–many unify with the Mullahs out of national solidarity.
    Also, even though the Zionists in this country want Iran neutralized, they fear any action by the US will be perceived by the world–and a growing number of Americans–as another AIPAC hatched plot. The only nation to support the US strikes will be Israel, not a popular nation in the world these days. US was denoucned for ‘going it alone’ in Iraq. US will be even more alone if we attack Iran.

    US backed a turkey in the Shah, and irresponsible European nations like France provided haven for guys like Khomeni. Turkeys are coming home to gobble gobble.

  • friscokid

    geo: Yes, it is obvious that Iranian leaders are terrorists, and yes, they do threaten the United States and our allies. Your remark about Russia doesn’t make sense, either. What country do you live in?

    Domestic greed, an anti-American Democratic Party, and a determined Islamic extremist enemy are the main forces behind the financial troubles we’re seeing now. The rest of the world should come to its senses and help us more in this war. Now that the Democrats have regained power, perhaps they’ll decide to defend their nation and make a real attempt to defeat the Islamists. The recent exchange of words between Obama and al-Zawahiri (Al-Qaeda’s chief of operations), where Obama first stated that al-Qaeda needs to be eliminated, and then al-Zawahiri called Obama a negro houseboy, gives me hope that the war against that garbage will go on. I wish I could be one of the American commandos who regularly get to snuff out their distorted little souls.

  • Rodfish

    IRAN,
    America will ferment war to fuel a cash flow to climb out of the slump/recession/depression.

    The armaments industry and military will will be pushing this to stay in business.

    Old as time,

    Boom-Slump-War.

  • geo

    Rodfish: Typically and generally you are right about the progression leading to WAR, but time has run out.

    The shadow governments of the warmongering “Axis of Evil” – the USA, the UK and Israel – will find that WAR is no longer an option, because their 300 year old Ponzi scheme of banking can no longer suck anymore from the world. All the nations of the world are facing an economic Armageddon of staggering and unprecedented proportions. In the past, when nations have been confronted with such an incapacitating monetary meltdown, they have provoked and orchestrated wars through false flag attacks and/or operations. This method will no longer work because the resulting global financial apocalypse will simply be too demanding and debilitating, especially for those who would attempt to plunge the planet into a WWIII scenario. The global money cabal that supports and keeps their war machine well oiled has been in a slow motion collapse for many years, and is now in a crashing free fall. That fraudulent western global monetary system will soon be unable to fund the breakup of a riot at a high school football game.

    The GOOD NEWS is that the people of all the nations of the world will now be compelled to beat their “swords into plowshares” and their “spears into pruning hooks”.

  • As America is growing more Judeocentric, multiculturalist, gay agenda oriented, finance capitalist, bohemian yuppie(boho), open borders, and so on at every level of society–schools, government, media, entertainment, arts and culture, etc.–, could it be said that we are the new ‘anti-Americans’? America is no longer the America we used to love and respect. With each passing year, it becomes even less so. We have a black nationalist/stealth Marxist backed by superrich liberal Jews as president. Our colleges are totally dominated by liberals, many of them Jews–as much as the NBA is dominated by blacks.

    It’s no wonder that Buchanan’s views often sound like Blame America First. and, many of us sound alike because the New America is not the one that we can accept. So, what is ‘American’ and ‘anti-American’ anymore? What is ‘left’ and ‘right’. The Right used to be the people in power clinging to it, and the Left used to mean people with less power opposing the mainstream power structure. But, most of the wealth, power, and wealth in this country is held by the Left. And, the Right is in exile–even from the Republican Party. Existentially, the Left is in the rightist position, and the Right is in the leftist position.

    Anti-Americanism have become the New Americanism(when a friend of Wright and Ayers has been elected as ‘our’ president with the full support of the Lib Jew media), and our brand of Americanism strikes more and more people as the new anti-Americanism. There will be a day when ‘gay marriage’ and greater diversity resulting from more immigrants–legal and illegal–will be accepted by most Americans–even the GOP–as what America is all about.

    For this reason, all those conservatives who wish Obama well are idiots and wusses. Though it will hurt all Americans in the shortterm, it’d be better in the long term if the next four years were a total disaster for the nation–economically, internationally, politically, etc. We don’t wish Obama well. We wish him hell. It was a great boon to liberals that Bush was a failure. If Bush had succeeded, liberalism would be on the ropes for a generation. It came back not because it had good ideas but because Bush made a mess of things. So, even if it will hurt our pocketbooks in the shortterm, we must hope and do everything possible to make sure that the Obama regime fails. Only dorky Dilbert-ish conservative pussies go for the political equivalent of jungle fever for Obama the pompous narcissistic jerk.

  • omygodnotagain

    History will judge Putin as one of the great leaders, in the face of collosal US provocation and rank stupidity he chose not to take the bait. I just hope that when Obama gets in power, when Putin ‘delivers” some more of the radioactive pollonium to the Robber Barons hiding in London and Israel, Obama lets it go. Payback for what they and their Neo Con allies have done is way overdue..

  • Let’s not allow our anger with Neocons blind us to Putin’s dark side. It’s often true that ‘the enemy of your enemy is your friend’ but only existentially. Putin has restored some of the Stalin cult, and his bullying of former Soviet Republics–which historically suffered greatly under Russian and Soviet imperialism–is despicable.
    And, though Putin has thrown out many big time Jewish hoodlums, he’s associated with many Russian hoodlums. Putin was the best man for Russia following the diastrous years of the 90s, but Russia has to eventually move beyond Putinism.

    But, it’s understandable why Putin has a certain hold on us. US has come under the power of Liberal and Leftist Jews. And, the powerful Neocons Jews don’t seem to serve our interests. Also, we now have a stealth black nationalist/Marxist as president. Our culture is dominated by crazy thuggish black rappers and filthy Hollywood trash. And, Western European men are mostly a bunch of wussified metrosexual wimps and dorks who peed in their pants over the Obama victory. Given all these facts, Putin and Russia seem like the last of the Great White Powers. Russians are nationalistic, proud, angry, and unapologetic. But, this is a double-edged sword. If Russians had avoided communism, their iron pride would be more acceptable. With Putin, national honor also includes making apologies for the Soviet era, and that is troubling. It was communism which divided the white world into East and West. Rise of communism led to the rise of fascism. Cold War was about two white powers aiming nukes at one another over ideology and trying to win over non-whites around the world through offering them economic favors, open immigration, affirmative action, etc–in other words, at the expense of white wealth and power. When it was over, Russia was an impoverished nation while US, though rich and powerful, had come under the domination of liberals and growing minority power.

    This is why it’s important for us not to turn Russia into a rival again, but we must understand that Putin is a not a good man–but then few, if any, great men were. We must see Putin coldly and clearly just as he sees the world. We must not look into his eyes like Bush and see… what was it?

    Ironically, many Jews rather respect Putin too–especially on the Left. The Nation magazine has been far more sympathetic to Putin than New Republic or Neocon mags like Weekly Standard have been. Leftist Jews opposed ‘capitalization’ of Russia in the 90s for ideological reasons but also felt that Russian capitalism damaged the image of the Jew(as the greatest beneficiaries were Jewish). Also, the social chaos made Russia very unsafe for many Jews–who weren’t so rich. Since Putin has stablized Russia, many Jews have actually returned to Russia, and Jewish power may eventually come to greater fruition thanks to Putin. Jewish power can be good or bad, and we shouldn’t kneejerkedly oppose it. Would we be opposed to Jewish power if most Jews used their great power and wealth to support our ideas and values? But, the fact is Jewish does tend toward the Left and has great influence because Jews are smarter than gentiles, and the smarties gain more power and influence in a meritocratic society. It’s no accident that Jews became the most powerful in the most free and fairest nation on Earth–despite their total lack of gratitude and venomous hatred toward WASPS.

  • Rodfish

    The great army of “WE”

    Andrea Freiboden said:
    Where do we attack in Iran? We are not sure WHERE the key nuclear facilities are.

    Just how long have you been in uniform?

    Special Forces?

    ARMY or ARMCHAIR?

    PS. are you NS?

  • Rodfish… yeah, like we were so certain about where the WMD were in Iraq!

    And recall that Americans thought Germans in WWII were close to having the bomb. It turned out the German scientists were no match for the super genius Jews of America.

  • geo

    Larson: Great comment and greatly appreciated.

    In 1999, Putin was struggling to rid Russia of those who were of the banksters. He was rebuilding Russia internally. That is why he probably didn’t feel comfortable to make an international stand against NATO at that time.

    But Russia is ready now. Perhaps an attack by the axis of evil (U.S., U.K., and Israel) on Iran will trigger the reaction from Russia that I would love to see: the crushing of the American naval armada and military in the middle east. I wouldn’t mind if they also took out the entire geopolitical nation state of Israel, who never deserved to be back in that land.

  • Thomas

    Everything from the “press” is liberal propaganda — feel-good globalist nonsense. Its for the morning crowd who have nothing else to watch, not for intelligent people.

    Iran will have its Bomb. And its suicide death cult regime will use it. Count on it. No one will stop them, any more than North Korea was stopped. What does their ruling death cult care about economic sanctions? Zippo, baby. The middle east will be radioactive in 20 years.