Comments on: Alienated & Radicalized http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641 Right From the Beginning Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:38:31 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: roho http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16368 roho Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:05:19 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16368 Great article Pat!.................Far too many don't remember the society prior to LBJ's "Great Society"?........And assume it was worse? It wasn't......Which is why it is refered to as "Happy Days".............But Unbridled Corporatocracy and Marxism never sleep and fight behind the scenes for control. Progressives should take a step back, do some reading, and understand the difference in Paleoconservatism and Neoconservatism? Paleos have actually been criticizing both liberals and Neocons for decades! (We no longer have a voice in the GOP(Gutted Our Principles).................Like Libertarians, we endorse neither Marxism or Empire, and embrace the conservatism principles of Jefferson......................It was a great read PAT. Great article Pat!……………..Far too many don't remember the society prior to LBJ's "Great Society"?……..And assume it was worse?

It wasn't……Which is why it is refered to as "Happy Days"………….But Unbridled Corporatocracy and Marxism never sleep and fight behind the scenes for control. Progressives should take a step back, do some reading, and understand the difference in Paleoconservatism and Neoconservatism? Paleos have actually been criticizing both liberals and Neocons for decades! (We no longer have a voice in the GOP(Gutted Our Principles)……………..Like Libertarians, we endorse neither Marxism or Empire, and embrace the conservatism principles of Jefferson………………….It was a great read PAT.

]]> By: Canaan http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16364 Canaan Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:34:39 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16364 Yagur, you recited the left wing catechism of post-9/11 threats to liberty -- much of which alarmed me too. But threats to liberty come in many forms. No one ideology can watch out for them all. So here's the American pact. Liberals watch the front door, conservatives watch the back. Liberals watch out for police state and theocracy, conservatives watch out for the state seizing irresistible amounts of economic power. Liberals watch the executive branch, conservatives watch the judicial branch. You say conservatives didn't complain about Bush. But the left can't conceive that checks and balances apply to the courts too, not just to the Executive. Let's say, both sides have their assigned watches. And thank God for that. You sound quite negligent re the state adding enormous corporate power to the law-making power, the police power, the taxing power, the judicial power, and control of the military. Its too much power. It's inherently dangerous. And no, I hope the Oath Keepers do not wait until the threat is urgent. It's one of the most basic American principles -- we don't wait until its too late. We don't let tyrants plant their seed in the soil. By the way, the President has said so many things he doesn't believe, I put no faith in anything that comes out of his mouth. The slanders against heartland Townhallers show how little he meant his 2004 convention speech. I don't go back to Nixon, but as a very noisy liberal activist, I've never felt personally targeted by a Republican White House or House Speaker in the way that Biden, Jimmy Carter and Pelosi have slandered dissenting Americans. Biden said "calm down or you'll be arrested!" You're not alarmed when a former President plays the race card to stifle dissent? When the White House attacks a news station? You're asleep at the switch, my friend. Yagur, you recited the left wing catechism of post-9/11 threats to liberty — much of which alarmed me too. But threats to liberty come in many forms. No one ideology can watch out for them all. So here's the American pact. Liberals watch the front door, conservatives watch the back. Liberals watch out for police state and theocracy, conservatives watch out for the state seizing irresistible amounts of economic power. Liberals watch the executive branch, conservatives watch the judicial branch. You say conservatives didn't complain about Bush. But the left can't conceive that checks and balances apply to the courts too, not just to the Executive. Let's say, both sides have their assigned watches. And thank God for that. You sound quite negligent re the state adding enormous corporate power to the law-making power, the police power, the taxing power, the judicial power, and control of the military. Its too much power. It's inherently dangerous.

And no, I hope the Oath Keepers do not wait until the threat is urgent. It's one of the most basic American principles — we don't wait until its too late. We don't let tyrants plant their seed in the soil.

By the way, the President has said so many things he doesn't believe, I put no faith in anything that comes out of his mouth. The slanders against heartland Townhallers show how little he meant his 2004 convention speech.

I don't go back to Nixon, but as a very noisy liberal activist, I've never felt personally targeted by a Republican White House or House Speaker in the way that Biden, Jimmy Carter and Pelosi have slandered dissenting Americans. Biden said "calm down or you'll be arrested!" You're not alarmed when a former President plays the race card to stifle dissent? When the White House attacks a news station? You're asleep at the switch, my friend.

]]> By: oceancity1967 http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16362 oceancity1967 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:50:08 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16362 Pat, yes you are correct, the traditional USA is falling away rapidly. It will not return either, the USA is now under the control of the international monetarists, and their goal is the pursuit of profit above all else. We were lied to, as Perot tried to point out back in '92, by the corporate cartels who saw a way to enrich themselves beyond the dreams of avarice, by de-industrialising the USA while maximising profits. To enable them to do this, their hired henchmen in the congress did the dirty work vis a vis unfair, unbalanced and irresponsible trade legislation. We can thank the "permacrats " for this. Now these financial interests suck the public dry of its last few dollars as a result of their criminally irresponsible, irrational and desperate, investment practices. This talk of a "jobless recovery" is an affront and an utter farce. Our currency is being devalued, and the nation is stuck in intractable wars, yes Pat we are headed down. A long way to go down too. Pat, yes you are correct, the traditional USA is falling away rapidly. It will not return either, the USA is now under the control of the international monetarists, and their goal is the pursuit of profit above all else. We were lied to, as Perot tried to point out back in '92, by the corporate cartels who saw a way to enrich themselves beyond the dreams of avarice, by de-industrialising the USA while maximising profits. To enable them to do this, their hired henchmen in the congress did the dirty work vis a vis unfair, unbalanced and irresponsible trade legislation. We can thank the "permacrats " for this. Now these financial interests suck the public dry of its last few dollars as a result of their criminally irresponsible, irrational and desperate, investment practices. This talk of a "jobless recovery" is an affront and an utter farce. Our currency is being devalued, and the nation is stuck in intractable wars, yes Pat we are headed down. A long way to go down too.

]]> By: richardhoran http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16361 richardhoran Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:42:09 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16361 Anybody who agrees with Pat's article on Oath Keepers, MUST read "It Could Happen Here" by Bruce Judson Anybody who agrees with Pat's article on Oath Keepers, MUST read "It Could Happen Here" by Bruce Judson

]]> By: yagur http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16360 yagur Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:42:02 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16360 What in the world are you folks so frightened of? Are you afraid that the Federal government might seize you off the street, declare you "an enemy combatant," and lock you up for as long as they want, without trial? Are you afraid they might unilaterally declare that might torture you, or anyone else, if they think it's important for national security? Are you afraid that the federal government might listen in on your phone calls, emails, and other communications without a warrant? Are you afraid that they might explode the Federal deficit, spending billions they don't have, and saddling our children with the debt? Are you afraid the Govt might plunge this nation into an expensive, years long destabilizing war on false pretenses? I don't blame you if you are, but these were all policies of the prior administration, and I don't remember a lot of complaining about it from the angry right wing. To the extent that the Obama Administration has not ended these policies, I share your frustration. But it is astounding to me that so many people seem to believe that our constitution is under attack because a person they don't agree with was duly elected President of the United States and is pushing forward the policies he campaigned on. Last I checked, that happens just about every four or eight years. And by the way, the last I checked, Obama has said he believes the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own guns, and has advanced no legislation or initiatives of any kind to do anything to curb gun ownership. At all. I would suggest at least waiting until he does something -- or indicates a desire to do it -- before you grabbing your weapons and swearing to shoot. What in the world are you folks so frightened of?

Are you afraid that the Federal government might seize you off the street, declare you "an enemy combatant," and lock you up for as long as they want, without trial? Are you afraid they might unilaterally declare that might torture you, or anyone else, if they think it's important for national security? Are you afraid that the federal government might listen in on your phone calls, emails, and other communications without a warrant? Are you afraid that they might explode the Federal deficit, spending billions they don't have, and saddling our children with the debt? Are you afraid the Govt might plunge this nation into an expensive, years long destabilizing war on false pretenses?

I don't blame you if you are, but these were all policies of the prior administration, and I don't remember a lot of complaining about it from the angry right wing. To the extent that the Obama Administration has not ended these policies, I share your frustration.

But it is astounding to me that so many people seem to believe that our constitution is under attack because a person they don't agree with was duly elected President of the United States and is pushing forward the policies he campaigned on. Last I checked, that happens just about every four or eight years.

And by the way, the last I checked, Obama has said he believes the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own guns, and has advanced no legislation or initiatives of any kind to do anything to curb gun ownership. At all. I would suggest at least waiting until he does something — or indicates a desire to do it — before you grabbing your weapons and swearing to shoot.

]]> By: Fran http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16357 Fran Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:52:32 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16357 Pat, what a sad epitaph for our nation. When I read this column my heart sank. I ask, how did the American people ever let this get out of control and why did the leaders of this country allow it to happen? Over the years, many of us put our faith and trust into our government because we were hard at work with raising families, making a livable income and dealing with normal everyday occurances in our lives. We left it to the pro's. Now, anger and frustration are eating up our lives over the many ill's this country faces. The psychology of " flight or fight" has crept into our minds and spirit. It reminds me of the words of Shakespeare in Hamlet. "Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them". The answer is clear. Many Americans are in for a good fight....peaceful, I hope and pray....but the battle must now be fought. Pat, what a sad epitaph for our nation. When I read this column my heart sank. I ask, how did the American people ever let this get out of control and why did the leaders of this country allow it to happen? Over the years, many of us put our faith and trust into our government because we were hard at work with raising families, making a livable income and dealing with normal everyday occurances in our lives. We left it to the pro's. Now, anger and frustration are eating up our lives over the many ill's this country faces. The psychology of " flight or fight"
has crept into our minds and spirit. It reminds me of the words of Shakespeare in Hamlet. "Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them".

The answer is clear. Many Americans are in for a good fight….peaceful, I hope and pray….but the battle must now be fought.

]]> By: khovnan http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16356 khovnan Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:23:21 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16356 I enjoyed your column, Mr. Buchanan. I am going to be an optimist, and toil on in support of freedom and liberty for all of us. Americans need to turn off the TV and empower themselves by getting involved in the process, and standing for something. If enough people care, we can still save the ship. God Bless us all. I enjoyed your column, Mr. Buchanan. I am going to be an optimist, and toil on in support of freedom and liberty for all of us. Americans need to turn off the TV and empower themselves by getting involved in the process, and standing for something. If enough people care, we can still save the ship. God Bless us all.

]]> By: space73cowboy http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16352 space73cowboy Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:15:08 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16352 I have not forgot the scions of the black robe who legislate from the bench, usurping their authority and exceeding their job description. I fear that the Sun that Benjamin Franklin mused about during the infancy of this country is now beginning to set. At that point, we were entering spring after coming out of the winter of monarchy and oppression. We have weathered several seasons and are now, I think, entering into the winter of our discontent, as we slide into the witchery of socialism, the vampirism of legalism and the Frankenstein of social engineering. I have not forgot the scions of the black robe who legislate from the bench, usurping their authority and exceeding their job description. I fear that the Sun that Benjamin Franklin mused about during the infancy of this country is now beginning to set. At that point, we were entering spring after coming out of the winter of monarchy and oppression. We have weathered several seasons and are now, I think, entering into the winter of our discontent, as we slide into the witchery of socialism, the vampirism of legalism and the Frankenstein of social engineering.

]]> By: space73cowboy http://buchanan.org/blog/alienated-radicalized-2641/comment-page-1#comment-16351 space73cowboy Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:14:54 +0000 http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=2641#comment-16351 This nation has been beat down, cheated, threatened, extorted and used by those who would profit at another man's loss. Our politicians in general are for the most part legalized cheats and could care less about the Constitution, as they only pay lip service to the document when it fits their plans. I remember when the "old" Soviet Union fell apart and though to myself that the U.S. is on top of the world. However, in 20 years, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama, along with the legions of legislators have perpetuated a crime agains the Constitution and the memory of the founders that struggled so hard to obtain this magnum opus of governence and freedom. This nation has been beat down, cheated, threatened, extorted and used by those who would profit at another man's loss. Our politicians in general are for the most part legalized cheats and could care less about the Constitution, as they only pay lip service to the document when it fits their plans. I remember when the "old" Soviet Union fell apart and though to myself that the U.S. is on top of the world. However, in 20 years, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama, along with the legions of legislators have perpetuated a crime agains the Constitution and the memory of the founders that struggled so hard to obtain this magnum opus of governence and freedom.

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